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Qual · Dec 22, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19

I don't agree with you, because a warrior in 2nd prof. can also be because the monk wants some stance skills, so they are better protected. They are not always warriors because they want to fight.

Wyett · Dec 22, 2005, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

In many games monks make good fighters: They combine weapon skills with healing. When you see the combination Mo/Wa in GW you can be sure the owner of that chr. wants to play a fighting chr, not a serving chr. So look at the 2nd profession to determine if you can use the monk in your party.

Ok, lets not be moronic and judge by someone's 2nd profession. Personally, my 2nd profession is a Necro, and I never carry Necro spells.. If I'm healing in a large group, i bring SOJ for the warrior who tanks (this is great to decrease amount of tank healing) and if I'm bonding, I use Barrier.. if I'm solo, I use SOJ. In the past 3 weeks, I haven't touched a necro spell,though I do love minions, which was the sole purpose of making a necro secondary, but just wasn't pratical. So, don't assume that if a secondary class is this or that, that you can discard or take that person. At best, that's being idiotic and jugmental. Who ever made this prior post is either 10 years old or just plain ignorent of character possabilities.

derrtyboy69 · Dec 22, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I really dont think ANet hates farmers, they hate botters. They nerfed the hell out of many farming things, but i really dont think theyll nerf two man SS runs, because its much tougher to get two bots to do a run together. If you get rid of farming, you wont see more monks doing missions, youll see people deleting their monks, or quitin the game alltogether.

dansamy · Dec 22, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

As I stated on TGH and will repeat here, Alesia will heal you for free. I have better things to do with my monking time than to hear some nub-ass warrior whine about "why didn't you heal me?!?1!?" or "RES ME!!! I'll kill them!1!" Sure you will, Leeroy. That's exactly why you're dead.

dansamy · Dec 22, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

I really dont think ANet hates farmers, they hate botters. They nerfed the hell out of many farming things, but i really dont think theyll nerf two man SS runs, because its much tougher to get two bots to do a run together. If you get rid of farming, you wont see more monks doing missions, youll see people deleting their monks, or quitin the game alltogether.

I won't quit the game or delete my monk. I'll do exactly what I do now. Prot in PvP. You won't find me helping people with missions on my PvE monk. I'm either farming, solo or paired with a SS necro, or in a full group only for my own purposes. (Like getting my FoW pants or IDS.)

Age · Dec 22, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

The reason i said charge is so they can recoup the cost they put into their builds it take about 50 or 60 K for the runes and then armor.The leader of this group at Thunderhead refused to pay 2 Monks for thier service and kicked them.

Rico Carridan · Dec 22, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Wyett

Quit your whining. Know what I found? I carry 2 different sets of armor with me, for the 55 build and for the sole purpose of group hunting. What amazes me, is the number of people who will kick you out of their group because you don't play to THEIR idea. They want you to have xx amountof hintpoints before doing mission/question/hunting. If everyone played to the same person's idea, then it'd be mighty boring. What yall need to get into your heads is that people play how they want to play, if I want to take my monk around with 250 hitpoints and do a mission, that's MY choice. 99% of the time, my build isn't the problem with a group, its the warriors who think they can kill anything and expect to live in mass mobs.. I see more idiotic people expecting to be perpetually healed in combat because there are monks in the group, and they don't think that MAYBE the monk wants to smite once in awhile, or other people in the group need to be healed, or someone needs a quick protective spell instead of a 250 hitpoint heal every 3 seconds.

Well, speaking for myself, when I lead a group, I don't care how many hit points you have, but I do care about what skills you have. If you want to run a smiting build, I'm normally ok with it as long as I know you're doing it before we start. There is nothing I hate more than jumping into a mission with 1 monk, only to find out that he's charging into mobs with a sword and smiting them. As for prot monks, well, I've found that the average prot monk (especially boon prot) tends to be far more effective than any heal monk.

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Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

Hah, if anyone has this build, let me know! Mesmers FTW!

The backline of the build is distortion + signet of midnight + spirit of failure + epidemic. Basically, you get 97% chance to evade, plus a perfect energy battery (SoF). Then just mix and match whatever else you want to finish the build.

Rico

Xenrath · Dec 22, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Wow the OP makes some points and gets a few flames back (presumably from those very same monks?) Well..

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

why in Dwayna's name do you think you should be able to solo some of the highest level areas to farm? How realistic is that expectation? I mean, if you could in the past -- and if that wasn't intended or balanced -- does that mean it should be left for players to do so indefinitely? No criticism for farmers, not at all. But in a game built on strategy and teamwork, like Guild Wars, it simply doesn't seem to me that it's reasonable to ask to play the highest end content as a solo player.

Going to argue with the game designers and developers next? Tell them to STFU? yeesh...

Rico Carridan · Dec 22, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Age

The reason i said charge is so they can recoup the cost they put into their builds it take about 50 or 60 K for the runes and then armor.The leader of this group at Thunderhead refused to pay 2 Monks for thier service and kicked them.

Monks don't provide a "service." They are members of a team. I don't care what your build is, if you want me to pay you so you'll join a mission group, I'll kick you and take a henchmen. I can't get over the arrogance of people like that. I can count on one hand the number of times that I have met a player who was so invaluable to a group that I would even consider paying them. The average monk doesn't qualify, because Alesia and Lina are better than the average monk.

Rico

Zaklex · Dec 22, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Age

SNIP
There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about. SNIP

I don't know where you got this information from, but A.net certainly has never said it would only be 3 chapters.

Also, if you are a Beta tester as you state then you know there is another more appropriate place for you to post this request.

tigernz · Dec 22, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Well said Rico.

Can you imagine warriors starting to charge for their "tanking service" Elementalists charging for their "nuking services"
Monks have a role to play in the party as do all classes.
Insisting that people pay for it (and even moreso, people who actually agree to pay it!) is just stupid.

Give me Alesia or Lina over those monks any day

Age · Dec 22, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

I don't know where you got this information from, but A.net certainly has never said it would only be 3 chapters.

Also, if you are a Beta tester as you state then you know there is another more appropriate place for you to post this request.

I wasn't aware of this and never was told to post request.I am not at any means trying to get this build nerfed as I would like to give it a try as well when the price of the runes come down.when I farm i only make 300 in gold.The only thing I want is my Judges or Saintly armor Maybe 15K Glad and druids for my Warrior and Ranger.

Josh · Dec 22, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Age

Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.The sole reason is so they can make back the gold they spent putting this build together as I see many post on other GW boards that I am on as other class of char. keep asking about well it is about time it stops.I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.There are other build you can use for solo faming but it always come down to the 55 Monk.Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.It is becoming harder to find a Monk like I said in mission outposts.When I have played in missions we had to use henchie Monks or have 1 Monk and use Necromancer as a battery.That is what will happpen if the trend continues that groups will ask for 1 Monk plus a battery Necromancer as they can keep teams Alive so think about especially you Monk players.

There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about.As a person who plays primary Monk healer or Protector stop making this build for just farming it is getting out of hand.Arenanet won't nerf the build but they can nerf the spots where you can farm as the UW has already seen it it is no different than Runners the Warrior was never intended on being a runner.I wouldn't be posting this here if it wasn't becoming a serious problem in game as I am still playing through the missions and I am a beta tester.

You should go re-install life.exe, Bill Gates might code in sense for you this time. ;\

QuietWanderer · Dec 22, 2005, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Wyett

Quit your whining. Know what I found? I carry 2 different sets of armor with me, for the 55 build and for the sole purpose of group hunting. What amazes me, is the number of people who will kick you out of their group because you don't play to THEIR idea. They want you to have xx amountof hintpoints before doing mission/question/hunting. If everyone played to the same person's idea, then it'd be mighty boring. What yall need to get into your heads is that people play how they want to play, if I want to take my monk around with 250 hitpoints and do a mission, that's MY choice. 99% of the time, my build isn't the problem with a group, its the warriors who think they can kill anything and expect to live in mass mobs.. I see more idiotic people expecting to be perpetually healed in combat because there are monks in the group, and they don't think that MAYBE the monk wants to smite once in awhile, or other people in the group need to be healed, or someone needs a quick protective spell instead of a 250 hitpoint heal every 3 seconds.

So, quit your whining about what a MONK's job is. A MONK's job is to follow the path of good, dwayna's light or whatever the hell it is if you wanna get roleplayish. The point is, most of us don't tell you how to play your character, how to do your build, so you don't need to determine how other's play theirs.

Now go learn how to play with a healer hench if you just want a healer bot, other wise stfu.

I think I love you.

QuietWanderer · Dec 22, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Rico Carridan

Monks don't provide a "service." They are members of a team. I don't care what your build is, if you want me to pay you so you'll join a mission group, I'll kick you and take a henchmen. I can't get over the arrogance of people like that. I can count on one hand the number of times that I have met a player who was so invaluable to a group that I would even consider paying them. The average monk doesn't qualify, because Alesia and Lina are better than the average monk.

Rico

I charge all the time for Thunderhead. In fact, everytime you see a monk charging there, think of me because I started it. The fact is, it can be a service and like all services, you have the option to say "no". You have no problem paying for a droks run, but you have a problem paying a monk that has done the mission 200 times. It's your loss not mine, I'll still get paid and you'll be without an experienced monk. Yet again, quit whining about what other players do.

lg5000 · Dec 22, 2005, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

Hah, if anyone has this build, let me know! Mesmers FTW!

Did you want the pure mesmer build or the one which relies on mistform?

Also, I believe there is a 55 mes. out there

As for the monk thing,, I get the feeling that bond monks need the 55 health thing to make things easier for them? I honesly don't know though.

Age · Dec 23, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by QuietWanderer

I charge all the time for Thunderhead. In fact, everytime you see a monk charging there, think of me because I started it. The fact is, it can be a service and like all services, you have the option to say "no". You have no problem paying for a droks run, but you have a problem paying a monk that has done the mission 200 times. It's your loss not mine, I'll still get paid and you'll be without an experienced monk. Yet again, quit whining about what other players do.

If you are going to charge than do the all mission while they sit back and watch you no more different than Forge run the Warrior doees 100% of the work.I paid a Warrior to do the Elona missions for me and yes this was Thunderhead.This is my 3rd char through this mission.

PtiteDiablesse · Dec 23, 2005, 12:02 AM // 00:02

You know, at first I ragged on the monks who would charge for their services. But now that I've socked away 500-ish hours on my monk, I have to say, I understand. It's shocking to realize how many players just plain suck (and yes, there are plenty of folks who think they can play a monk who fall into this category). They either don't know how to play their own class, or they think they know how to play my class, or both.

I get a kick out of people who get down to 2/3rds health, panic, and run away... generally using the monks as human shields. My god, so many people do this. And they wonder why parties get wiped out. A monk keeps other folks alive. The reverse generally isn't true. Wouldn't it stand to reason, then, that any other class is more expendable? Wouldn't it stand to reason that anything else is a better tanking class than a monk?

This is why I try to play henchies as much as possible. And why I'm seriously considering charging for my services. Besides, how much different is it than charging to run folks somewhere? You're paying a (generally) warrior or ranger to provide a particular service.

As for the 55 monk, there's a time and a place for them. If a 55 monk is up-front that they're a 55 monk, then there generally isn't too much of an issue. If they trick me into taking them because they tell me they're a heal/prot monk and it turns out they're a 55er, then I have no problems restarting and booting them.

scars of insanity · Dec 23, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

You wanna know where all the monks are?! Ive found at least 2x more Monks standing in Tombs dist 1 than in ToA dist 1 or any other mission. I have a 55hp monk who hasnt even completed Thunderhead keep yet. When we dont have favor i take my extra slot and make a pvp character to do some Tombs to try and get it so i can do a duo run with a ss necro. Also think to yourself why didnt you pick monk?! why dont you go make a monk and heal. Its because most people in this game want to kill something. So please if you have a problem with 55hp monks make one! see how fun it is compared to healing all the time. The main problem with monks not wanting to do missions is because theres always a warrior who wants to go kill everything. Even after you just finished off a huge group. They run out when your spamming "My energy is 3 out of 49!"

. When someone does that to me i just sit back and /point or /fistshake then let him die while the rest of the party stays back. My last little comment is MOST MONKS ARNT 55HP!! According to servays ive seen the average person has under 10k. How are you gonna be a 55hp monk if each rune cost 9.-14k!? Consider these before you go telling everyone the 55hp monk is the reason why there are no monks in missions.

Sir Skullcrasher · Dec 23, 2005, 12:25 AM // 00:25

I totally have to disagree with the OP. For one 55 build monks isn't that bad or unbalance like he/she said. People have the freedom to creates any builds that they wanted. Just because you don't like 55 build monks, doesn't mean A-Net have to nerf it. Also 55 build monks sometime can help out with regular missions or quests not just farming. Sure you can farm solo as a 55 monk, but sometime when asked in towns. They will join in. As for charging for monk's service.. that just laughable. You seriously think people will have to pay for monks from now on? As for nerfing this build, i don't think there is any methods that A-Net can used without pissing off the community. Look at the last 55 build nerfing patch, it brought down the effictiveness of certain skills. This is like nerfing the SS build or MM build since some people might considered it unbalance but no one care for it that much. Since SS and MM are helpful in both missions and quests.